What Kind of Ceasefire
What kind a ceasefire?
"A Fictive Dialogue"
Israeli: We want a ceasefire if Hezbollah wants one; and we want them to stop attacking Israel, to stop launching rockets; and to withdraw their weapons beyond a buffer zone - what you call a DMZ!
Lebanese: We want an absolute cessation of hostilities now; with Israel leaving our country. Then we will continue the UN 1559 process and integrate the Lebanese Hezbollah.
Hezbollah: Well, remember that I am Lebanese .. we want Israel to ceasefire and commit the hostage issue to negotiation. We only took the Israeli soldiers hostages to help Palestine obtain leverage for another prisoner swap. Especially the women and children in Palestinan camps called Israel Prisons. That was done in 2004 though the help of the German government.
High-placed American: We want a ceasefire that stops hostilities; and includes a transfer of military power in Southern Lebanon to a Multi-National force. However Hezbollah must agree to halt attacking; and withdraw weapons from Southern Lebanon.
Lebanese: Well can't that all wait ? People are getting killed - especiallty Lebanese. Because of that Hezbollah-Lebanese feel compelled to retaliate --to defend themselves. Israel runs rampant like a bull in a china shop.
European & Japanese: We agree with the Lebanese --we want the hostilities stopped to save lives immediately.
UN Person: We wanted an immediate ceasefire in place with a withdrawal of Israeli forces and a commitment against Hezbollah raids; and a return of the prisoners.
Hezbollah & Lebanese: The prisoner issue can be sided -- they were combat or military personnel --our people who captured them are commandos, not terrorists. Lebanon-Hezbollah embarassed the tough Israelis with a cross-border raid. We want a prisoner exchange - a swap,; and particularly, a release of elderly, women and children held by Israel. At least our prisoners now are being treated according to the Geneva Convention. The Red Cross has seen them, or had verification of them.
American: Well Sect'y of State Rice & President Bush want a ceasefire after Israeli defense interests are secured -- they thought you'd accede to Israel's right of defense; and they'll then turn over that occupied territory to the UN MNF.
Lebanese - European & Japanese: We all want a full armistice -- a cessation of hostilities now. To save civilian lives.
High-placed Israeli: While we stop shooting you'll attack us! If we withdraw you'll attack us!
High placed Lebanese: After a ceasefire following your Begun destruction in the '80's -- Israel years later declared a unilateral ceasefire and withdrawal under a new Prime Minister Barek. There was no Israeli slaughter. We hoped more peace would follow; after we had wound up the civil war; then we had the Syrian presence to address. What's wrong with that kind of withdrawal now? Just declare or join a ceasefire, and retreat and go home. All else will await international negotiations. We don't fire on flags of truce. Israel does that. What the hell good is a partial aerial ceasefire when you advance your tanks? Do you want our bent-over asses? It has to be mutual.
American: Well you've been going at it for nearly a month.
Others: Yes you do note these things don't you.
American What?
Others: Nothing.
American: We want a ceasefire -- but Israel wants to defend itself. We thought the threat was Hezbollah.
Lebanese: Are you crazy? Israel is trigger happy. You put those weapons in their hands! Under legal causation theory you're responsible and they are responsible for over-reaction.
A border skirmish begetting a war in the 21st century? For God sakes! Most of your killings have been civilians. No wonder some Americans liken them the Israelis to the New York police movie -- "Fort Apache - the Bronx".
UN, Europe, France, Britain, Japan, & Lebanon: How about an immediate ceasefire? All hostilities halt by command order of each country. The UN commits politically to consider an optional place-holding and peace keeping force. Israel is not rewarded with more territory by war; nor for its war. Lebanon has its damages, and Hezbollah, by Lebanese government, must rein itself in and practice politics. Then you, Israel, put Barek back in power - or a similar Israeli Prime Minister; and Israel under a ceasefire just pulls back across the Lebanese border as she did before the UN 1559 resolution.
Israeli & American: And the war -- it would flame up again.
Lebanese & UN & France & Britain: No, you enforce the ceasefire!!! Don't you conceive of them? No shooting !!
Israeli citizen: I get the point .. our lives our out of risk too by a true ceasefire -- except our neanderthals who think everyone is going to kill us! The rockets weren't a material problem until the war started. No, and now, despite the Israeli military and invasion, and political lies in the Knesset, they are everywhere in Israel -- 50 miles into the country! What imbeciles If I were Lebanese or Hezbollah, I'd shoot anything I could.
American: A ceasefire can end the war, but Israel wants to gain.
Lebanese: Israel acted irresponsibly and recklessly and criminally in response. Their damage to Lebanon is tremendous and immoral. We, and I hope the world, cannot acquiesce to Gaza North. What is in your consciences? Our lives all have the same worth. Drop this imbecilic eye for eye and ten of yours for one of ours nonsense. If Lebanon had been as armed as Israel, both societies would be ruined.
UN, France, Briton, European, Lebanese & others: A simple lifesaving ceasefire in place -- enforced. Israel can go home. If Lebanon wants a stronger buffer force, and Israel is interested in one, the UN will negotiate it. But for peace sake a halt now to hostilites. Israel cannot win or finish its mission. Two societies will both bleed.
Israel & a High-placed American: Israel needs to defend itself.
Eisenhower-style American: Are you crazy? Halt Israel and force a ceasefire to save lives. Americans don't do what Israel or you are doing now.
Others - especially Lebanon: Whatever occurs, a full government and press investigation will detail every airstrike, every target, every killing in Lebanon and assess Israel's defensive military targeting. It appears more like murder. No country may pretext war or pretext terrorists, and by blank check or Star Chamber issue warrants and begin murdering with massive military weapons today.
Lebanese: Just today, for the first time as if just recalled with an Israeli prompting, to inflame Americans, you reminded that Hezbollah killed those US Marines in Beirut in 1982 - twenty-four years ago. That was a different war -- it is regretted, and a different Hezbollah. They have a miitary faction, and a political faction .. like the Sein Fein and IRA some Americans romanticize over. Likud is the successor political party of Irgun - the Israeli terrorist group for nationalism against the British. They blew up half the Jerusalem King David Hotel to kill British remember? That was terrorism. We'll accept objective assessments of true terrorism that must be addressed. Israel sabotaged UN 1559. A newer peaceful politically participating Hezbollah exists .. socially determined and economically minded. They do business. Israel's act is almost spiteful as if proven wrong .. especially in the Lebanese options for peace after Syria's withdrawl, and President Harriri's assassination a year ago. The time was well spent. Lebanon knows what civil war is. Israel has, or had the diplomacy to seek third parties and to negotiate and restrain herself - to do something other than a malicious destructive war. People other than Israelis are not animals. Citizen of Israel -- throw out your government and make peace. And don't re-elect another peace as war voter deception like Likud 2.
Another Lebanese: As I speak, American press polls are reporting that nearly 50% of Americans disagree with Bush and Rice now; and that over 50% of Americans believe Israel's response against Lebanon is wrong and too damaging, too excessive. That is hope.
High-Placed American: Many Americans have Lebanese ancestry. We have good relations, we will help Lebanon with peace and re-building and investment. We've have already given $30 million in humanitarian aid since the war started.
Lebanese: Stop the war America; you arm and fund proxies like the old Soviets.
Become a great power again.
Ceasefire.
"A Fictive Dialogue"
Israeli: We want a ceasefire if Hezbollah wants one; and we want them to stop attacking Israel, to stop launching rockets; and to withdraw their weapons beyond a buffer zone - what you call a DMZ!
Lebanese: We want an absolute cessation of hostilities now; with Israel leaving our country. Then we will continue the UN 1559 process and integrate the Lebanese Hezbollah.
Hezbollah: Well, remember that I am Lebanese .. we want Israel to ceasefire and commit the hostage issue to negotiation. We only took the Israeli soldiers hostages to help Palestine obtain leverage for another prisoner swap. Especially the women and children in Palestinan camps called Israel Prisons. That was done in 2004 though the help of the German government.
High-placed American: We want a ceasefire that stops hostilities; and includes a transfer of military power in Southern Lebanon to a Multi-National force. However Hezbollah must agree to halt attacking; and withdraw weapons from Southern Lebanon.
Lebanese: Well can't that all wait ? People are getting killed - especiallty Lebanese. Because of that Hezbollah-Lebanese feel compelled to retaliate --to defend themselves. Israel runs rampant like a bull in a china shop.
European & Japanese: We agree with the Lebanese --we want the hostilities stopped to save lives immediately.
UN Person: We wanted an immediate ceasefire in place with a withdrawal of Israeli forces and a commitment against Hezbollah raids; and a return of the prisoners.
Hezbollah & Lebanese: The prisoner issue can be sided -- they were combat or military personnel --our people who captured them are commandos, not terrorists. Lebanon-Hezbollah embarassed the tough Israelis with a cross-border raid. We want a prisoner exchange - a swap,; and particularly, a release of elderly, women and children held by Israel. At least our prisoners now are being treated according to the Geneva Convention. The Red Cross has seen them, or had verification of them.
American: Well Sect'y of State Rice & President Bush want a ceasefire after Israeli defense interests are secured -- they thought you'd accede to Israel's right of defense; and they'll then turn over that occupied territory to the UN MNF.
Lebanese - European & Japanese: We all want a full armistice -- a cessation of hostilities now. To save civilian lives.
High-placed Israeli: While we stop shooting you'll attack us! If we withdraw you'll attack us!
High placed Lebanese: After a ceasefire following your Begun destruction in the '80's -- Israel years later declared a unilateral ceasefire and withdrawal under a new Prime Minister Barek. There was no Israeli slaughter. We hoped more peace would follow; after we had wound up the civil war; then we had the Syrian presence to address. What's wrong with that kind of withdrawal now? Just declare or join a ceasefire, and retreat and go home. All else will await international negotiations. We don't fire on flags of truce. Israel does that. What the hell good is a partial aerial ceasefire when you advance your tanks? Do you want our bent-over asses? It has to be mutual.
American: Well you've been going at it for nearly a month.
Others: Yes you do note these things don't you.
American What?
Others: Nothing.
American: We want a ceasefire -- but Israel wants to defend itself. We thought the threat was Hezbollah.
Lebanese: Are you crazy? Israel is trigger happy. You put those weapons in their hands! Under legal causation theory you're responsible and they are responsible for over-reaction.
A border skirmish begetting a war in the 21st century? For God sakes! Most of your killings have been civilians. No wonder some Americans liken them the Israelis to the New York police movie -- "Fort Apache - the Bronx".
UN, Europe, France, Britain, Japan, & Lebanon: How about an immediate ceasefire? All hostilities halt by command order of each country. The UN commits politically to consider an optional place-holding and peace keeping force. Israel is not rewarded with more territory by war; nor for its war. Lebanon has its damages, and Hezbollah, by Lebanese government, must rein itself in and practice politics. Then you, Israel, put Barek back in power - or a similar Israeli Prime Minister; and Israel under a ceasefire just pulls back across the Lebanese border as she did before the UN 1559 resolution.
Israeli & American: And the war -- it would flame up again.
Lebanese & UN & France & Britain: No, you enforce the ceasefire!!! Don't you conceive of them? No shooting !!
Israeli citizen: I get the point .. our lives our out of risk too by a true ceasefire -- except our neanderthals who think everyone is going to kill us! The rockets weren't a material problem until the war started. No, and now, despite the Israeli military and invasion, and political lies in the Knesset, they are everywhere in Israel -- 50 miles into the country! What imbeciles If I were Lebanese or Hezbollah, I'd shoot anything I could.
American: A ceasefire can end the war, but Israel wants to gain.
Lebanese: Israel acted irresponsibly and recklessly and criminally in response. Their damage to Lebanon is tremendous and immoral. We, and I hope the world, cannot acquiesce to Gaza North. What is in your consciences? Our lives all have the same worth. Drop this imbecilic eye for eye and ten of yours for one of ours nonsense. If Lebanon had been as armed as Israel, both societies would be ruined.
UN, France, Briton, European, Lebanese & others: A simple lifesaving ceasefire in place -- enforced. Israel can go home. If Lebanon wants a stronger buffer force, and Israel is interested in one, the UN will negotiate it. But for peace sake a halt now to hostilites. Israel cannot win or finish its mission. Two societies will both bleed.
Israel & a High-placed American: Israel needs to defend itself.
Eisenhower-style American: Are you crazy? Halt Israel and force a ceasefire to save lives. Americans don't do what Israel or you are doing now.
Others - especially Lebanon: Whatever occurs, a full government and press investigation will detail every airstrike, every target, every killing in Lebanon and assess Israel's defensive military targeting. It appears more like murder. No country may pretext war or pretext terrorists, and by blank check or Star Chamber issue warrants and begin murdering with massive military weapons today.
Lebanese: Just today, for the first time as if just recalled with an Israeli prompting, to inflame Americans, you reminded that Hezbollah killed those US Marines in Beirut in 1982 - twenty-four years ago. That was a different war -- it is regretted, and a different Hezbollah. They have a miitary faction, and a political faction .. like the Sein Fein and IRA some Americans romanticize over. Likud is the successor political party of Irgun - the Israeli terrorist group for nationalism against the British. They blew up half the Jerusalem King David Hotel to kill British remember? That was terrorism. We'll accept objective assessments of true terrorism that must be addressed. Israel sabotaged UN 1559. A newer peaceful politically participating Hezbollah exists .. socially determined and economically minded. They do business. Israel's act is almost spiteful as if proven wrong .. especially in the Lebanese options for peace after Syria's withdrawl, and President Harriri's assassination a year ago. The time was well spent. Lebanon knows what civil war is. Israel has, or had the diplomacy to seek third parties and to negotiate and restrain herself - to do something other than a malicious destructive war. People other than Israelis are not animals. Citizen of Israel -- throw out your government and make peace. And don't re-elect another peace as war voter deception like Likud 2.
Another Lebanese: As I speak, American press polls are reporting that nearly 50% of Americans disagree with Bush and Rice now; and that over 50% of Americans believe Israel's response against Lebanon is wrong and too damaging, too excessive. That is hope.
High-Placed American: Many Americans have Lebanese ancestry. We have good relations, we will help Lebanon with peace and re-building and investment. We've have already given $30 million in humanitarian aid since the war started.
Lebanese: Stop the war America; you arm and fund proxies like the old Soviets.
Become a great power again.
Ceasefire.
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